stuart: bill clinton did not start out with a trillion dollars worth of deficits. at the time it was the highest deficit we'd ever had. stuart: nowhere near the proportion of gdp we have now. >> we have much bigger problems and they require much bigger solutions, and everyone's got-- everyone here and that's why this election turned out wait it did. stuart: the r here is where i want to leave it. i've got something to say and you can counter it. this president, president obama wants to punish the rich. he doesn't like that, no? >> absolutely not. he wants fairness because a lot of people in this country knew the deck was stacked against them and then they saw people like mitt romney who maybe, maybe paid 15%, probably paid less than that. they want everyone to pay their fair share. and this is about fairness. stuart: 1% of the population pays 40% of all the taxes raised, half the population pays nothing and that is fair? i don't think so. mary anne, always a pleasure. >> i think. stuart: always a pleasure. >> all right, stuart, thank you. stuart: come and see us, t